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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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urea hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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psycho hello Richard hello Stefan I

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can't believe I'm actually in the zone

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you've come back into the zone we don't

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know where you went but you're now back

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in the zone I'm way back in the zone i

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think i went to an alternative universe

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perfect for a couple weeks there I mean

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I know I know what happened to you what

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happened you were raptured I really you

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actually dance what happened I actually

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was raptured yes I I have no memory

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whatsoever and all i know is i'm back in

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the zone now isn't that incredible so i

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can't even say it was a good experience

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or not sure you advil with all the

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people on the planet you were the one

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who thought i was the one you're it and

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i'm back you yeah i can't tell you

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anything about it but it's good to be

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back I'm glad you're back I wish you

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could tell us something about it because

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that was I'm still getting over the fact

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that the you know the rapture didn't

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come two weeks ago I know it's taken a

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while and other people that people say

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basically no one was good enough to go

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so we're all just we'll just and that's

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it that's it I don't think we could it

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actually did happen it's just nobody got

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taken I heard that they said the excuse

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one of the excuses that come about but

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the end of the world the rapture not

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happening is well that was the last day

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you could repent Oh even if you repent

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now you're screwed oh really yeah that

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was a deadline that was the deadline so

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this is what they're saying now and the

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real end of the world is in not october

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hmm did the saying sorry to you to your

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wife count because i think i might have

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said that a couple of times that day you

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know repenting no probably not good

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enough i don't think i don't think it

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does how about it doesn't quite know

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like a try I mean I get to the pearly

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gates you could say look you know hey

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come on come on Lord what I do I

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apologize I mean you'll just tell them

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that you are on the skeptic zone and

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that's all come straight either

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especially moving trouble there

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according to some people now but it is

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great to be back and what what episode

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is at 138 138 138 for the what's the day

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today this between film dune that's I

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whom it is June already wasn't it like

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just I know it like bit pre rapture it

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was time seemed to go a lot slower it

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did before the red ed it now it's just

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float was it hurtling you hurtling

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towards damnation good everywhere from

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episode one oh yes so what's happening

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this episode anyway we have an interview

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with a top bloke are by the name of

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Lawrence learned I'll Lawrence learn

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yeah he said the courage of an hour a

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secretary could unsee ation that's not

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too bad not too bad he's he's ER from

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Melbourne he's just about to appear in

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his own TV show on ABC television here

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in Australia on NBC one called

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unbelievable now he goes around the

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world and he investigates ghosts and

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psychics and strangely warm in a

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skeptical manner in a skeptical comic my

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comical skeptical matter oh that is

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unbelievable that is isn't it well

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that's good so he's getting a bit of a

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chat about the show that which is what

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coming up soon here in fact it'll be on

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this Wednesday coming up whatever the

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Wednesday the date of Wednesday's I

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think it's the 15th soonish any share

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all that sounds pretty good more

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skepticism and and comedy on the TV on

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the TV but you will be chatting to him

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in just a moment and in that chat we

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actually give the correct time in the

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date free show that would be very

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helpful for our listeners yes I think so

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and following that we have the think

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tank think tank lovely little thing oh I

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heard those wouldn't I know there's a

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lot of time you're throwing in them in

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the emails there to try and get the

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whole team together and yeah just didn't

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work out change from thursday to monday

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to tuesday and whenever it was because

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dr. ratio of course has slipped away to

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vanuatu a bana washes off do she's

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having a little holiday in Vanuatu

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checking out the volcano there in the

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firewall

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all sorts of things so I guess we'll

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hear about that when she gets back I

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hope so I think she's good in fact I

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heard along the grapevine that she had a

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little bit of extra money given to her

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specifically to buy crabs ah and be sure

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to eat the booty bring them back I hope

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not oh I you in here through customs

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which obably not know she wouldn't

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because she leave them on the spot early

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oh I see also he could wear but like is

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it like a headdress or something you can

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get and get right past customs well ugh

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rachel and i discovered the delights of

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crab legs when we're in Las Vegas last

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time southport can Cena they're all

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those people coming to town oh yes the

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crab legs at the south point casino just

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wonderful stop bragging now Richard stop

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making us all feel bad for not having

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gone but we yeah we'll hear i'm sure

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we'll hear about the next one step

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there's always cam kim there is in 2012

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there is tan-tan in Vegas in Vegas for

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that's worth say woohoo speaking of the

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u.s. yes this is a sort of an unstable

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segue good segue I was interested to see

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the other day that when I woke up I

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noticed on the news lines are saying the

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bodies of 30 people have been discovered

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in a mass grave in Texas are those

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people children are they are known

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another coral yes that was a horrendous

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news story when I jumped on the train I

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happen to go to the gym that day is it

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of a walk as you do as I do and so I'm

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sort of keeping an eye on on the news as

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it was coming through across the working

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machines that what are their treadmills

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click click clicking I'm watching and

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saying oh you know terrible thinking

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another shocking thing and this happened

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tip from a cycle just like it yes okay

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another three kilometres later on a

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treadmill I'm the sheriff deputy said

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well we didn't find anything Oh is he

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find anything it crossed my mind that it

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could have been someone who knew

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something about a real crime but yeah

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I going to tell the cops i know

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something oh I know I'll pretend I'm

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psychic yes they all came in a vision

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been and I don't know the details yet

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could have well been a well-meaning but

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deluded person that's true thinking they

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had a vision but I mean when you think

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about it if if the sort of abilities to

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census of things were real and and you

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were an actual psyche you'd be just

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inundated with Souls just everywhere

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hundreds of them now this this could be

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a problem is different well it could be

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solution of perhaps a crystal ball bar

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spirits that the psychic person might

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protects the cup and just just plows

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them out of the way yeah so I'm working

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on that at the moment sir just a bit of

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fine-tuning their I think it I tell you

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what and seriously if you took that to

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the mind-body wallet I lost all their

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torches psychic crystal bullbar to

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protect your car and occupants from the

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spirits of great that you would say oh

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Tanner in right now this room is just

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packed to the rafters it is with soul

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I'm surprised we could even put any

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either I can hardly breathe well you

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know what we had a great I mean thank

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you to everybody who emails me of course

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I try to answer your emails I do if you

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haven't heard from you yet you will

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eventually eventually I going to get

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through them all but one that caught my

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eye was from a listener ben Phillips now

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Ben works at a giant coal mine oh yes up

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in the Hunter Valley and he said he

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really enjoys listening to the show

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because he's driving one of these

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monster big stupid get out of here

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trucks right you saw a movie with the

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buyers which are bigger than your house

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he's out there and he's little cabin

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with call in the back you know 20 feet

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in the air or whatever the hell it is

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listening to the skeptic oh really well

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that's fabulous any sin as a photo

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didn't hear I guess you it is about

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Stefan I just look at this photograph

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you are and what's out of the front oh

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my goodness he's got a crystal ball bar

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on it he does ah because of course does

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coal mines there's a lot of spirits in

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there well you know it could be a

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diamond one cuz diamond comes from coal

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oh it's all making sense well Ben thank

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you very much and we hope you are

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continuing to enjoy over the rumble of

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your massive great Tonka truck so the

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loot bank doesn't look like a big talker

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well thank you very much been for

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listening thank you to all those other

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listeners to thank you to those kind

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people who've been computing lately and

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we've got more one dollar week

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subscribers all the time it's really

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great and thank you all because that

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lets me by nice equipment for the crew

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it pays for the hosting of the show yeah

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that's why we get it up and we want to

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we want to grow of course I want to get

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more people in get ya do a few more

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promotions all that sort of thing cuz ya

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thought the whole idea of skepticism has

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to expand on this little planet of ours

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covered with ghosts that we play our

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with our crystal ball but let's get on

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and joining me on the line right now

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from glorious tropical sun drenched

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melbourne is lauren's learn how are you

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learn i'm great written how are you I'm

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freezing cold up here in Sydney I'm

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freezing in an oven this is like our the

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coldest in June day for probably 10

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years it's going to slow up in the

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dining on mountains Wow for those of you

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don't know it's just out of the city and

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it's it's it's where snow shouldn't fall

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apart unbelievable it's unbelievable and

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strangely enough florence by some weird

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coincidence that's the name of your

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upcoming series here in australia on ABC

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television honor believable what can you

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tell us about the series well the show

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um it's kind of like ghostbusters meets

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Mythbusters it's it's a it's a comedy

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show but it's also we've got a lot of

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science and psychology in it it's kind

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of the show that i wish i had when i was

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in high school in any when they used to

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play science tacos to us it was quite

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dry and boring and i wish they were a

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little bit more fun this is kind of like

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a fun documentary series it just Falls

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the impossible and the irrational and

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and tries to see whether things are

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really out there or just inside our

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minds and it was interesting that I

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think it was last year when we were both

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at the amazing meeting in Las Vegas we

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bumped into each other and then had a

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bit of a chat and you were telling me

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all about your in the process of making

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this show and you worked with a good

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friend of ours bannerchek yep yep blammo

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chicks in the series is actually in the

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first episode which are his next

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wednesday and yeah he's amazing he's

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just is actually quite a hero of mine

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from for a very long time I've always

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been quite interested in magic as it as

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a teenager and it also has a child and

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sort of seeing his escapades with them

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trying to investigate psychic see things

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I've lasted a few decades oh oh

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really uh was quite chuffed and made him

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and you actually go down driving around

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Las Vegas with Vanna check who's

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completely blindfolded at the time so

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rather you than me I think yeah I must

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say I was completely almost wetting my

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pants I did pack the brownies that day

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it's quite funny I mean I've done lots

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of interviews and I've interviewed

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people in vehicles before but I've never

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interviewed someone with coins gap

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attempt over their eyes with a blindfold

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it was like epitope so I made sure there

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were no gaps and I held the coins up to

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the Sun to see there no holes and the

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coins and yep he drove me through the

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streets of Las Vegas at quite some speed

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and I thought I'd end up you know in

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some sort of CSI autopsy rapidly crash

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but now I'm surviving to give this

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interview today that's fantastic well

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the only explanation of course is that

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Banacek is truly psychic which is the

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subject of the episode 1 of unbelievable

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and in the coming weeks we can look

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forward two episodes about ghosts UFOs

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magic manipulation and one that interest

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me the last of the series is called the

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experiment yes yes the experiment the

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read not so scientific or not so it'll

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probably wouldn't pass any ethics

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committee regularly experiment this is

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an experiment where I guess I wanted to

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turn everything in its head because I

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guess a lot of people in some of their

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little the world of reason area it's

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people like yourself try to try to add a

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bit of common sense to the world and try

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to turn I'm not sure that's your I'm I'm

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speaking putting words in your mouth ok

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ok you have you know unbelievable

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beliefs perhaps make them a bit more

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sort of rational or a bit more skeptical

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about how they look at things so I

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thought I'll turn it in turn that on its

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head and see if similarly I could turn a

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skeptic into a believer yeah it's kind

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of a Truman Show style experiment which

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is extremely difficult to plan and film

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because um well for one thing I wasn't

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the the star of the episode the star was

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someone we found who

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a computer scientist we arranged it with

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his sister and unbeknownst Lee this

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super skeptic guy he gave him the most

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unbelievable week of his life through

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all sorts of trickery and tomfoolery and

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hidden cameras to see if we can turn a

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skeptic in global goodness me so that'll

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be look that's something we can look

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forward to I we won't say what happened

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of course to give it away we can all

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wait to see that in episode 6 but well

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what what an interesting selection

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you've chosen for this all the classics

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I guess are there the psychics are

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ghosts the UFOs I'm glad you're doing

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what unmagic because like yourself magic

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is one of the reasons I sort of got very

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interested in this whole realm

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especially the magic of Uri Geller we I

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I studied and I learnt and it's a great

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party trick even to this day yeah yeah I

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I used to do as a little kid with a

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plastic spoons and a lighter it took a

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bit longer than you the classic a slight

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of hand moves to teach spoon been but

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yeah yeah uri geller was was fantastic

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coming he also kind of prove that you

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don't even have to do anything for

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people to believe your sake you can

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actually fail live on TV and people

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think that you're more of a scott a

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psychic because you're human sometimes

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it doesn't work it's brilliant job yeah

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he didn't actually have to do spring

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bending on some of these appearances

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well it's the famous Johnny Carson show

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where he couldn't do any any of his

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tricks because Randy had simply made

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sure that he didn't have his props

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available to him his you know prepared

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spoons and all the rest of it so he

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mailed miserably but you're right to the

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believer it just showed he was genuine

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because if he was a magician he'd just

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do it all the time naturally Wow yes

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it's an incredible it's an incredible

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way some people have to justify things

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may I find the psychology of this whole

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area and I'm sure you do too endlessly

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fascinating the way people's minds work

401
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yeah yeah I am a studied psychology at

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university but only for the pure reason

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I would like to work out how magic

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tricks worked on a psychological level

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not because you know I wanted to

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like a doctor like my parents would need

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to be you know being a PhD in psychology

408
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oh yeah no I just want to be a magician

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really yeah it's very interesting how

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that's a lot of magicians end up in the

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sort of the skeptical world and it's

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probably because they're sort of

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handling people's attention and

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perceptions in a way which they can

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understand how people can believe all

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sorts of unbelievable things and I'm

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sure that's why a lot of magicians are

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skeptics as well it's probably right and

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of course for a magician you can imagine

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what a magician like James only so Yuri

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gala doing known tricks you know we used

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the expression today and hitting your

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head on the desk or face palming or

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something like that and when I watched

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old uri geller and even the new ones

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what he's still doing it the same old

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tricks he's bringing out again and again

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it's a the gall of the man sometimes is

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breathtaking oh um having balls of olive

430
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oil now you must have come across some

431
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very interesting characters now I know

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you went of course to Las Vegas to find

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some of these interesting characters

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where else in the world did you travel I

435
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went to the north of Scotland stay in a

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haunted castle we are to mixing ghost

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hunters who took nakuru castle i went to

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Roswell and New Mexico to try to find

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some UFOs also went to I guess I guess I

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went everywhere I also met only the guy

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that you know that TV show lie to me

442
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it's like a human lie detector I know it

443
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professor Paul Ekman who he believes you

444
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can tell whether someone's lying by just

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looking at a body language and our micro

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expressions in their face I also met a

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lot of course this was in Las Vegas the

448
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world champion our poker player from

449
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2010 Joe Qaeda is Isla it's very young

450
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guy he's got 22 now but he won something

451
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like eight min us at 21 at the poker

452
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table and he was the world champion

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and so I want to learn how people

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blockin the sea are in the world of

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poker well you really got to see a lot

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during the making of this show are the

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episodes half an hour or an hour

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unfortunately they're only half an hour

459
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okay yeah yeah there was so much content

460
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so much interesting stuff which we shot

461
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so many little adventures and you know

462
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social experiments that I I did and

463
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unfortunately we can't pack it all into

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each episode which is a shame because

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there's so much content well that might

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be something for the DVD extras now and

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then when it went when the DVD comes out

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now you and I have appeared on radio

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together you might remember and I'm

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guessing it's tier might have been six

471
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seven eight years ago now we were both

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on the triple j network here I was in

473
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Sydney and you were in Melbourne and we

474
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were always discuss skepticism but

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that's as far as my memory takes me

476
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because at the time you were actually

477
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appearing in a show in Melbourne I think

478
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it was called the skeptic wasn't yeah

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yeah i did a comedy festival show uh

480
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back in he was 2002 and was called

481
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skeptic skip era which is what this I

482
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guess this till he shows us you know of

483
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I guess and yet back then I I basically

484
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did the show because I had this argument

485
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once with my mum who's quite a religious

486
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person person she's only volunteers of

487
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cathedrals and things like that she's a

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staunch Catholic and often we have quite

489
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colorful debates at Christmastime and

490
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you know I would say things like you

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know the Bible you know how can you

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trust the book that has to be written by

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so many different authors you know it's

494
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actually believe all this in my mom

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would say listen Lawrence why don't you

496
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just test your own skepticism test it

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you know you know you're testing

498
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everything else well why don't you test

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your own beliefs and I thought okay mom

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threw the gauntlet down and so I thought

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what I'll do is I'll put myself into

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situations where I have the highest

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possibility of experiencing the

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paranormal and the supernatural so I can

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finally once and for all you know

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see what I was you know not so believing

507
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of at the time yeah so yeah so that's

508
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why I went to Scotland i stated haunted

509
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castles I slept alone an underground

510
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catacomb that's psychic so I went to

511
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John Edwards live arena spectacular I

512
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did all these things and I told the

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whole story with a slideshow in a show

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called skeptic and and sort of did my

515
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conclusions all in one shot again and

516
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this new TV show I guess is the is a

517
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spin-off of that but I want to go

518
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further I don't want to just talk about

519
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the paranormal and supernatural and i'll

520
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talk about it every day as well which is

521
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why I talk to talk about manipulation in

522
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everyday life took the poker players and

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lie detector my detectives and and also

524
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look at magic which is you know why the

525
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psychology of deception for us and

526
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everything like that sounds fantastic to

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me and i'm really glad i did bump into

528
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you when you're in Las Vegas because I

529
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remembered the time I think I was

530
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showing you and the crew your producer

531
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in the camera guys the body balance

532
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tricks of the the magic power bands oh

533
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and I think you told me then a bit later

534
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on that you actually come across some in

535
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Las Vegas somewhere if i'm remembering

536
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,929
right yeah we went down myself in one of

537
00:22:04,270 --> 00:22:02,000
the directors a wimp just for shop or

538
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:04,280
just like shopping was that one day off

539
00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:06,770
a web garden our email and the

540
00:22:14,110 --> 00:22:10,340
mall in a Super Bowl is one of those

541
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,120
masses are more than in Las Vegas where

542
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:15,440
they're just department stores were

543
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:18,650
things you can never afford luxury goods

544
00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:20,809
but down in the middle of the mall there

545
00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:24,500
was a stall that are two guys have set

546
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:26,510
up and they were selling something which

547
00:22:30,669 --> 00:22:28,250
is quite similar to power bands but belt

548
00:22:33,010 --> 00:22:30,679
made out of metal or aluminium or

549
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:33,020
something and they said it could focus

550
00:22:40,419 --> 00:22:37,400
the energies and frequencies of the of

551
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:40,429
the of the universe and when they'll

552
00:22:44,740 --> 00:22:43,520
explain it to to myself they'll talk

553
00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:44,750
about they'll using words like

554
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:48,169
mitochondria and quantum and they'll

555
00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:50,030
talking about how the internal frequency

556
00:22:55,470 --> 00:22:53,860
of your the Brazil's vibrating

557
00:22:57,450 --> 00:22:55,480
because there's so much interference and

558
00:22:59,700 --> 00:22:57,460
so much technology out there it's making

559
00:23:03,240 --> 00:22:59,710
us quite unhealthy air one of these

560
00:23:05,490 --> 00:23:03,250
metal bands it corrects all these

561
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:05,500
frequencies and it can make you do all

562
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:09,520
sorts of those balancing tricks actually

563
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:13,330
stronger fitter and and and all that so

564
00:23:18,060 --> 00:23:16,330
yeah they know I wanted to see these

565
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:18,070
balancing test for myself because I know

566
00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:21,970
you showed me some of these um you know

567
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:23,830
balancing tests where they hold hold

568
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:25,570
your arm and and you know they can't

569
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:27,010
push your arm down that type of stuff

570
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,400
and but I had to do it you know because

571
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:31,600
they make it look like a control

572
00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:34,570
experiment made they get you the whole

573
00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:36,280
drama out mud and then they'd push it

574
00:23:40,289 --> 00:23:38,350
down and see it's really easy and then

575
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:40,299
they get you to hold their metal band in

576
00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:43,090
their hands in your hand and we're

577
00:23:46,530 --> 00:23:44,500
holding it in my hand and then they push

578
00:23:49,409 --> 00:23:46,540
down and I can't I can't push it down

579
00:23:50,909 --> 00:23:49,419
but unbeknownst to them I I just like

580
00:23:55,260 --> 00:23:50,919
did a bit of sleight of hand and I

581
00:23:57,330 --> 00:23:55,270
dropped it onto the wall and so I was

582
00:23:59,370 --> 00:23:57,340
not in fact his band at all and he was

583
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,380
still having trouble somehow

584
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:01,919
miraculously these power bands were

585
00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:05,200
working through the floor and nature and

586
00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:08,049
still was able to make me soup alpha

587
00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:10,630
strong it must be true then it must it

588
00:24:15,419 --> 00:24:12,100
must mean he's got some very powerful

589
00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:15,429
stuff there yeah don't yeah that's great

590
00:24:19,620 --> 00:24:17,950
and I'm still you know absolutely

591
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:19,630
wrapped that in this country anyway the

592
00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:21,370
skeptical movement has had some great

593
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:24,790
success in cutting down these things and

594
00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:27,850
having them stopped and band and all the

595
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,830
rest of it so skin this is amag

596
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:32,559
skeptical activism can work wonders will

597
00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:35,370
look Lawrence I got Hanover so sorry

598
00:24:43,409 --> 00:24:39,580
skepticism skepticism and I cannot wait

599
00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:43,419
to see unbelievable it kicks off on the

600
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:46,350
Wednesday juna 15th on abc1 at

601
00:24:51,030 --> 00:24:49,210
nine-thirty p.m. this is the show every

602
00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:51,040
skeptic in Australia should be clamoring

603
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:54,190
to see it runs for six weeks and G

604
00:24:59,220 --> 00:24:56,890
Lawrence we might our shows might sort

605
00:25:00,900 --> 00:24:59,230
of be on there some sort of overlap I

606
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:00,910
don't know yet so that would be good to

607
00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:03,910
have at least two skeptics on TV yes and

608
00:25:07,450 --> 00:25:05,620
they're likely are now remote viewing

609
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,460
via Skype so yours is the

610
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,200
one is that wine that's right and I'm

611
00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:10,640
not sure when that starts but there's a

612
00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:12,230
possibility that they could overlap a

613
00:25:16,110 --> 00:25:14,149
little bit but I matter or listeners

614
00:25:20,169 --> 00:25:16,120
will be rushing from one to the other

615
00:25:21,789 --> 00:25:20,179
comes well I look forward to saying like

616
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:21,799
I look forward to seeing you on yours

617
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,850
too Oh shucks alright Lords all the best

618
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:27,679
for the show and again I will be

619
00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:31,010
certainly turned into the ABC during the

620
00:25:47,289 --> 00:25:33,830
15th at nine-thirty p.m. thanks Louis

621
00:25:48,970 --> 00:25:47,299
very much less Richard are you sick of

622
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:48,980
pseudoscience and the paranormal

623
00:25:53,409 --> 00:25:51,440
dominating popular media fed up with

624
00:25:56,649 --> 00:25:53,419
being surrounded by spiritualism and

625
00:25:58,930 --> 00:25:56,659
relentless religiousness pneus yeah me

626
00:26:01,360 --> 00:25:58,940
too or you can do something about it

627
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:01,370
help support the brand new flim-flam

628
00:26:05,649 --> 00:26:04,010
comic a weekly online comic strip that

629
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:05,659
promotes critical thinking through

630
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,809
quirky cartoons and hilarious jokes the

631
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,640
more skeptical media we share with the

632
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:12,799
world at the better it's none for profit

633
00:26:18,930 --> 00:26:15,289
so we need your help go to flim-flam

634
00:26:23,529 --> 00:26:18,940
possible comdata you that's flim-flam

635
00:26:26,049 --> 00:26:23,539
poz IB le Comte you you can contribute

636
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:26,059
there let's spread critical thinking in

637
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:36,450
join us now for drinking skeptically in

638
00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:44,220
the think tank in trunk of you okay

639
00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:47,830
that's 2x safe what's the talking about

640
00:26:52,409 --> 00:26:49,270
getting drunk and everything will be

641
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:52,419
okay i'll have you know James that we

642
00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:54,250
are drinking all of us tonight we are

643
00:27:00,810 --> 00:26:57,070
drinking glorious diet coke cheers for

644
00:27:02,399 --> 00:27:00,820
ice oh you better pour some Diet Coke

645
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:02,409
will rate you there her glasses and

646
00:27:07,409 --> 00:27:05,679
things that's right all right well yes

647
00:27:10,409 --> 00:27:07,419
and I've given away the whole thing tank

648
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,419
crew tonight it's dr. AG hi dr. H irises

649
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:13,600
thank you for coming along and James is

650
00:27:19,169 --> 00:27:15,809
joining us bastard cheap hi hey Richard

651
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:19,179
we were bit thin on the ground tonight

652
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:21,190
in the old think tank some people

653
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:22,240
couldn't make it but that's all right

654
00:27:26,909 --> 00:27:24,970
we're we're here which is some of us are

655
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:26,919
some of us are selfishly going overseas

656
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:30,159
then on Wednesday so we normally record

657
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:32,980
the think tank on Thursdays because I

658
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:35,890
won't be here I moved it forward know

659
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:37,929
what does everybody else to be here what

660
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:39,960
is this selfish trip all about regular

661
00:27:46,919 --> 00:27:43,690
um it's incredibly selfish it's just

662
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:46,929
self-indulgent trip to Vanuatu Oh for no

663
00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:48,610
reason I'm not doing any work I'm not

664
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:50,380
doing it I hang on well if you want me

665
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:54,870
to do a talk let me know when a while so

666
00:28:01,440 --> 00:27:58,200
skeptical but is skeptic or you can um

667
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:01,450
you can look into local legends and

668
00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:03,970
goings on or maybe tribal medicine or

669
00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:06,220
something yes when i'm planning to go to

670
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:09,700
a local sort of ceremony where because

671
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,010
obviously Carver is drunk quite a lot

672
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:14,799
even know sorry yes yes including

673
00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:17,230
vanuatu so although I mean that's not

674
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:20,309
really supplies and I've had coverage

675
00:28:24,770 --> 00:28:23,650
it's very numbing it's very numbing I

676
00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:24,780
wouldn't recommend

677
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:27,240
yeah but I don't know if its associated

678
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:29,730
with any sort of spiritualism is it

679
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:32,370
which isn't just like a alternative

680
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:34,740
talcum it is in a way a social thing yes

681
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:37,020
yes so if you get numb witness and

682
00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:38,370
everything but it does taste like dirty

683
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,520
different well it is it's basically

684
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:43,320
ground up roots yeah you mix with water

685
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,880
it's like mud yum yum yum now speaking

686
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:50,480
of mud we have a story here about

687
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:53,130
Scientologists in Australia by a good

688
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:56,010
friend of ours Steve Canaan yay the

689
00:29:00,440 --> 00:28:57,570
canal inator as he's known to his

690
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:00,450
friends actually he doesn't know that

691
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:05,220
don't to late now however reading upside

692
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,080
down here it seems to me that the

693
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:08,880
prominent member of the Church of

694
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:13,520
Scientology in this country has been oh

695
00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:15,960
now listeners may be wondering why it

696
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:18,780
suddenly got very quiet and where's all

697
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:21,090
the background noise well we've had to

698
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:23,850
suddenly move and come to a back room

699
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:25,890
here at our favorite club down the end

700
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,390
of the street which is a giant empty

701
00:29:32,150 --> 00:29:29,760
room with no people talking so we can

702
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,160
talk which is much better and I think

703
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:34,320
we're going to discuss this story by our

704
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:37,740
good friend Steve Canaan we admire very

705
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:40,980
much about top Scientologist charged

706
00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:44,010
with perverting course of justice dr.

707
00:29:48,050 --> 00:29:45,750
'he do you have a fan boy crush on Steve

708
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,060
canine to you me yeah and I have a

709
00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:50,640
fanboy crispy clean nice boys I might

710
00:29:54,050 --> 00:29:52,470
have a crush it everybody does yeah I

711
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:54,060
think I think he's great but I don't

712
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:55,950
exactly have a fanboy crush on him oh

713
00:29:59,780 --> 00:29:58,290
come on you doing well sheep he knows

714
00:30:02,180 --> 00:29:59,790
more about this story so he should have

715
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,190
talked about anything okay are more

716
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,080
basically 12 months ago you may have

717
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:06,960
remembered about May last year or more

718
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:08,730
specifically may 19 according to my

719
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,650
youtube channel here yeah there were a

720
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,720
lot of stories in australian TV about

721
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,360
scientology they were the only essays

722
00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:18,000
about them from the daughter of the

723
00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:20,400
strain presidents things like that one

724
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:22,140
of the stories was actually a cover-up

725
00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:24,840
of child sexual abuse now it basically

726
00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:27,420
happened is these challenges their

727
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:30,180
allegations of it yes now what allegedly

728
00:30:35,289 --> 00:30:32,570
happened it was

729
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:35,299
yes electrically this young girl her

730
00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:37,490
parents weren't heavily into Scientology

731
00:30:41,259 --> 00:30:39,590
she was living in this tiny little house

732
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:41,269
in the commune with dozens of other

733
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:44,090
people where she got sexually assaulted

734
00:30:46,990 --> 00:30:45,380
by some people their current member of

735
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:47,000
top my head who was whether it was

736
00:30:51,999 --> 00:30:49,630
apparent to other people in Radian

737
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:52,009
anyway when the Department of Community

738
00:30:58,419 --> 00:30:53,809
Services came along to check up on all

739
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:58,429
these people living there Janus gate who

740
00:31:02,980 --> 00:31:00,399
was out in Australia at the time she

741
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:02,990
actually coached this girl into how to

742
00:31:07,889 --> 00:31:05,330
respond to Doc's questions which is

743
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,899
completely illegal so doctors the

744
00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:10,159
Department of Community Services they

745
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:11,629
actually went under a different name at

746
00:31:16,090 --> 00:31:14,299
of time on our international listeners

747
00:31:21,249 --> 00:31:16,100
doctors the government agency who looks

748
00:31:24,669 --> 00:31:21,259
after child welfare that sort the other

749
00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:24,679
things like that now if you think these

750
00:31:29,169 --> 00:31:26,929
allegations bad you should really know

751
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:29,179
who Janice Katie's she is the head of

752
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:32,950
the cchr which is the citizens

753
00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:36,110
Commission on Human Rights that front

754
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,120
the front the front of Scientology that

755
00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:39,919
is apparently all about human rights

756
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:42,950
coached a girl how to respond to docs so

757
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:45,970
that yeah I do G do not get into trouble

758
00:31:52,509 --> 00:31:49,610
that's pretty bad I'm a bit about you

759
00:31:56,259 --> 00:31:52,519
mean now these are actually came out 12

760
00:31:58,180 --> 00:31:56,269
months ago and nothing was really done

761
00:32:00,340 --> 00:31:58,190
this is because Janice gage is actually

762
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:00,350
from America uh-huh however over the

763
00:32:05,230 --> 00:32:02,570
last week or two she came out to

764
00:32:07,659 --> 00:32:05,240
Australia for a little visit oh and when

765
00:32:10,570 --> 00:32:07,669
she was out here the police decided to

766
00:32:12,730 --> 00:32:10,580
catch up her they filed some charges

767
00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:12,740
against it and took away her passport oh

768
00:32:18,669 --> 00:32:17,059
dear so are a lot of us are very eagerly

769
00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:18,679
awaiting to see what happens from those

770
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:21,230
charges a lot of people around the ocean

771
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:23,090
yeah I'm sure if people want to follow

772
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:25,129
this story I guess the best thing to do

773
00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:27,320
would be to Google Scientologist

774
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,940
arrested Australia and you should be

775
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,519
able to find out more information I

776
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:33,679
printed out the story by Steve Canaan

777
00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:36,350
which was posted I'll right at the end

778
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:38,830
of last month I see I may thirty first

779
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:42,769
but that could conceivably be huge a

780
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:44,470
huge blower or huge new

781
00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:47,049
in regard to the Church of Scientology

782
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:48,580
well actually Steve Canaan was the one

783
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:51,010
who sort of a nice work yes he precious

784
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:53,890
join you up right here yeah and actually

785
00:32:59,850 --> 00:32:57,370
after he broke it on late line he had an

786
00:33:03,419 --> 00:32:59,860
exclusive on the story and then the

787
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:03,429
following night our sort of broadcast

788
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:06,610
news current affairs magazine kind of

789
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,370
crappy shows they were both competing to

790
00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:11,919
cover the story and they both ran it at

791
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:14,020
the same time I did dizzy much yeah they

792
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,330
always do don't yeah and at some point

793
00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:17,679
you could actually eat the exact same

794
00:33:21,419 --> 00:33:20,020
questions being asked this is a big

795
00:33:23,159 --> 00:33:21,429
answered it was so funny though because

796
00:33:25,049 --> 00:33:23,169
I spoke to Steve at the time and he was

797
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:25,059
like yo I've got there oh you and Steve

798
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:27,610
alike that aren't you oh shut up just

799
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,289
cuz you anyway oh but hey yeah he had a

800
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,200
sort of um embargo on the story as well

801
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,360
and so as soon as it broke on late line

802
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:40,000
you could just almost hear the other Joe

803
00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:41,830
knows from commercial stations just like

804
00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:43,390
prescribing over each other to get a

805
00:33:47,390 --> 00:33:45,340
piece of the Church of Scientology by

806
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:47,400
and large these days gets a pretty

807
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:49,890
pretty what's the word I'm looking for a

808
00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:53,320
heavy run on on all networks a heavy as

809
00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:55,150
in they get criticized a lot you know

810
00:33:58,500 --> 00:33:56,950
that people are coming down like a ton

811
00:34:02,220 --> 00:33:58,510
of bricks on them which is really good

812
00:34:04,110 --> 00:34:02,230
to see ya justic here 12 months ago I

813
00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:04,120
was really surprised when these stories

814
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:06,460
first coming out because Scientology are

815
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,260
known to be very litigious yeah yeah

816
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,720
yeahs is that the right to teachers here

817
00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:13,839
yeah well they're bound to be like that

818
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:15,220
all around the world that's why people

819
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,560
hesitate before taking action or

820
00:34:21,629 --> 00:34:19,359
commenting too much about them well they

821
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:21,639
did but now this seems to meet so many

822
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:24,879
people are doing that yeah listen for

823
00:34:27,869 --> 00:34:26,500
ikea i don't know if they can pursue

824
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:27,879
everyone that's criticizing them anymore

825
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,560
because it's happening so much it's a

826
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:31,359
good point dr AG if there's a tidal wave

827
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,490
of people doing it as individuals what

828
00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:35,919
are they going to do it's an interesting

829
00:34:42,089 --> 00:34:40,119
idea listeners and it is the Streisand

830
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:42,099
effect in a way isn't it and now another

831
00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:44,099
story that you posted on your facebook

832
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,020
page dr. Reggie and I know how much you

833
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:49,839
love the show and I enjoy it to our air

834
00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:52,290
crash investigations or questions

835
00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:54,360
sure it's a good show it's a really good

836
00:35:00,080 --> 00:34:55,830
show that I like air crash

837
00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:00,090
investigations cuz when it's on your

838
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:01,590
texting you saying air crash

839
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:03,240
investigation you're right i think

840
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:05,010
everybody who is a regular listen to the

841
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:06,210
zone is well aware that i'm a plane

842
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:08,850
spotter and there have been occasions

843
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:11,610
when we've recorded the show from my

844
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,230
front room and you can hear the planes

845
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:15,180
going over and and often when i'm having

846
00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:18,420
skype conference calls Halfin nobody can

847
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:20,220
hear what I'm saying because planes go

848
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:23,640
past and yeah yeah I am a massive nerd

849
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:26,310
ok I don't think that's a secret so this

850
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:28,020
story is actually written by Ben Radford

851
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:30,660
who writes quite often really now for

852
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:35,490
discovery news and it's about air france

853
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:38,550
flight 447 which crashed in the North

854
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:42,300
Atlantic in 2009 with 228 people on

855
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:46,260
board and they've recently investigators

856
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:48,030
have recently turned up one of the black

857
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:52,400
boxes and so they had a look into what

858
00:35:56,090 --> 00:35:55,050
went wrong with this flight because they

859
00:35:59,840 --> 00:35:56,100
didn't seem to be thinking anything

860
00:36:01,460 --> 00:35:59,850
obvious and it turned out as is often

861
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:01,470
the case Richard which you would know if

862
00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:03,210
from watching hours and hours of air

863
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:06,600
crash which I do yeah so do i it's

864
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,940
usually a series of things that lead to

865
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,280
disaster though they call it the Swiss

866
00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:13,680
cheese have you heard that one yeah

867
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:16,080
number of holes until it's so sort of

868
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:20,220
what it's like you have a hundred slices

869
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:21,930
of Swiss cheese right now what god holds

870
00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:23,460
a grand a place oh and eventually then

871
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:25,590
eventually if they all line up that you

872
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:26,760
know that it creates a hole right

873
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,960
through the whole thing but they all

874
00:36:31,850 --> 00:36:29,460
have to line up it's really interesting

875
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:31,860
yeah well it's often a combination of

876
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,930
mechanical error and human error in it

877
00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:35,760
but a series of those things to lead up

878
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,150
to it well according to French

879
00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:41,160
authorities when it came to Air France

880
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:44,790
447 they concluded that the pilots made

881
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:47,430
a series of mistakes first of all they

882
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:49,260
encountered rough weather and this

883
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,030
caused their speed sensors to ice over

884
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:53,880
and malfunction and although this is not

885
00:37:00,200 --> 00:36:56,280
generally doesn't generally caused such

886
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:00,210
a tragedy are all such a disaster the

887
00:37:05,780 --> 00:37:03,630
pilots instead of maintaining level

888
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,790
flying they actually pulled the nose up

889
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:08,220
and then climb steeply and so that try

890
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:10,110
and get above all the storms just to get

891
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:12,780
all karma area yeah however it looks as

892
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:14,250
though they may have pulled the nose up

893
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:17,910
a bit too much and put the plane into a

894
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:21,180
store mmm justice out climbing so how

895
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:23,160
the plane slowed down enough that they

896
00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:26,520
started see ya yeah so if the the

897
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:28,080
correct thing to do once a plane stalls

898
00:37:31,610 --> 00:37:29,430
is to pull is to push the nose down

899
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:31,620
again so that you can get air float back

900
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:33,720
over the wings you can restart the

901
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:37,800
engines yeah but I'm apparently the

902
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:41,370
plant the the pilots sort of instead of

903
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:43,170
really following their equipment and

904
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,370
looking at their instruments they

905
00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:46,260
actually kind of use their intuition to

906
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,120
try and work out you know what direction

907
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:49,920
they were going in and if they were

908
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:52,020
going up or down there trying to follow

909
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:54,060
their their senses well that's this is

910
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:55,560
kind of the point of Ben's article now

911
00:38:00,380 --> 00:37:57,510
I'm not really sure if you know you can

912
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:00,390
see I'm not sure how they concluded that

913
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:03,390
but it's very interesting sort of

914
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:05,670
exercise in I suppose I don't know if

915
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:06,810
you'd really call it cognitive

916
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,900
dissonance but it it sort of is in a way

917
00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:12,000
because I'm there's a really great

918
00:38:16,070 --> 00:38:14,190
youtube video that listeners should seek

919
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:16,080
out it's from a guy called ash Donald's

920
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:18,510
and he's Australian he did it for TEDx

921
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:22,110
in sydney i think or Canberra and he

922
00:38:26,090 --> 00:38:23,670
actually learned to fly a number of

923
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:26,100
years ago and the way that you're taught

924
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:28,200
to overcome your instincts when it comes

925
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,400
to trying to work out whether you're up

926
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:32,040
or down when you're in a situation where

927
00:38:36,110 --> 00:38:34,020
you can't see a horizon for example yeah

928
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:36,120
there's no real way that you can ensure

929
00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:38,220
ative leave work out which is up which

930
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,590
is yeah I mean are you heading towards

931
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:41,760
the ocean in the middle of the night we

932
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:45,720
don't really know intuitively but it's

933
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,270
very difficult for you to say used to

934
00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:50,400
working of your balance and your answers

935
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:52,230
as far as what you feel this because you

936
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:54,510
know it's not to just ignore those

937
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:55,770
and look at the instruments and believe

938
00:38:59,840 --> 00:38:57,810
for the insta sensory input you're

939
00:39:03,140 --> 00:38:59,850
getting experiences as a human could

940
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,150
possibly say you're climbing yeah we're

941
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:04,800
in fact you're in you're diving and

942
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:06,210
you're upside down in your diaper well

943
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:08,310
yeah I mean there have been incidents as

944
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:09,810
such as that which you and I have seen

945
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:13,140
on air crash and so ash does a 20-minute

946
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:14,460
talk it's really interesting because he

947
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,650
talks about how when he was taught to

948
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:19,680
try and trained himself to ignore his

949
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:23,730
intuition he would have sort of a as

950
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:25,800
what would you call it like a visor

951
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:28,440
visor put over his eyes yeah so that he

952
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:29,970
could only see his instruments and he

953
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:31,950
couldn't see outside now the window of

954
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,890
the plane and then the instructor would

955
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:36,720
sort of throw the plane into you know a

956
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:40,920
spin or or breach or you know we're

957
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:43,110
released into the stores yeah even

958
00:39:46,820 --> 00:39:45,030
something as minor as a turn yeah yeah

959
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:46,830
and even something like a really slow

960
00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:49,380
gradual change yeah so that you don't

961
00:39:52,850 --> 00:39:50,760
really you can't really be aware that

962
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:52,860
you're turning because you can't see

963
00:39:56,420 --> 00:39:54,780
can't see and then you have to try to

964
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:56,430
learn to actually trust your instruments

965
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,410
and the interesting thing about it too

966
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:00,960
is that a lot of pilots nowadays because

967
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:03,060
so many planes actually electronically

968
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:05,010
computerized but they controlled by

969
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:07,140
computers you don't you're less they're

970
00:40:12,350 --> 00:40:08,460
less and less trained to actually rely

971
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:12,360
on having to take action from their

972
00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:13,470
instruments because normally the

973
00:40:18,110 --> 00:40:15,630
computer fix is that right so I think

974
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,120
that's the article that some been

975
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:20,480
radford's written it's about that in

976
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:22,680
there's another example that he uses

977
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:25,050
here that this is not the first time the

978
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:29,250
in France 444 or flight 447 sorry was

979
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:30,870
not the first time and he mentions him

980
00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:34,140
another incident in February 2009 in

981
00:40:38,330 --> 00:40:36,360
buffalo new york where 50 people

982
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:38,340
including one person were killed on the

983
00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:41,460
ground and they think that was a result

984
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:44,070
of pilot intuition i remove

985
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,920
overcorrecting you so in this case I'm

986
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:48,780
the pilot and the copilot had not been

987
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:50,210
paying attention to the planes airspeed

988
00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:52,500
and when they realized the plane was

989
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:54,630
about to stall the pilot pulled the

990
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,420
planes nose up instead of down so

991
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:58,800
exactly the same thing that happened to

992
00:41:02,670 --> 00:41:00,300
the Air France price I think I remember

993
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:02,680
the New York one from air crash

994
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:05,140
yeah when Shannon is in a suburb and

995
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:06,520
they initially thought it was a

996
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:09,160
terrorist attack or something yeah i

997
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:10,450
think if that's the same one I think

998
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:12,610
it's the same way now the the rid of the

999
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:14,410
moral of this story if I can put it that

1000
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:17,410
way is that a lot of people that we

1001
00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:21,370
certainly encounter you hear you hear

1002
00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:23,620
the expression trust your gut or go with

1003
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:25,780
your first feeling or female intuition

1004
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:27,610
is an old expression and all this sort

1005
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:29,980
of thing and here's a classic example of

1006
00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:32,650
where your senses and how you you just

1007
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:35,380
feel about something can completely and

1008
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:37,960
utterly lead you astray and I remember

1009
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,810
Carl Sagan used to say when people said

1010
00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:42,400
well Karl what's your gut feeling about

1011
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:44,020
something he says I don't think with my

1012
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:46,900
gut I think with my head but but you

1013
00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:50,130
know in everyday life we use our gut

1014
00:41:54,090 --> 00:41:52,060
feeling about something I pretty much

1015
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:54,100
everything yeah I mean it's pretty hard

1016
00:41:58,110 --> 00:41:56,410
not to you know well this is what um

1017
00:42:00,270 --> 00:41:58,120
that's a point that Ben was making in

1018
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:00,280
this story too he says Ted Bundy was

1019
00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:02,890
handsome and charming and no one

1020
00:42:07,350 --> 00:42:05,500
suspected a Sunday school teacher and a

1021
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:07,360
mum of raping and killing eight-year-old

1022
00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:10,990
Sandra Cantu in 2009 so he's saying you

1023
00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:14,620
know by all means use your intuition for

1024
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:16,120
whether you think that you know that

1025
00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:18,190
goal is right for you I'll end the part

1026
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:19,480
in the park when you've had a few beers

1027
00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:21,790
but when it comes to making life or

1028
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:23,830
death decisions or emergency decisions

1029
00:42:27,810 --> 00:42:26,020
is probably better to like you say think

1030
00:42:29,370 --> 00:42:27,820
with your head not with it goes it also

1031
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,380
reminds you something else Carl Sagan

1032
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:31,960
said it's where we have strong emotions

1033
00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:35,230
we are liable to fool ourselves which i

1034
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:37,180
think is very true when you have a very

1035
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:40,450
strong emotion about a topic

1036
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:43,030
it clouds your judgement something that

1037
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:44,410
raises a really interesting point

1038
00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:47,290
Richard which is about one page of the

1039
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:49,869
panic virus by Seth Monique in which

1040
00:42:53,579 --> 00:42:51,790
really intrigued me and I had a

1041
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:53,589
discussion with Joe about this a few

1042
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:55,480
weeks ago and I really want to look into

1043
00:43:00,089 --> 00:42:56,950
this a little bit more but he makes the

1044
00:43:02,130 --> 00:43:00,099
point that all decisions rational or

1045
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:02,140
otherwise involved in emotion and even

1046
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,670
rational decisions there's a motion

1047
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:06,400
connected to that what is trying to do

1048
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,910
is explain why anti-vaxxers make what

1049
00:43:13,319 --> 00:43:11,680
seems like irrational decisions but he's

1050
00:43:14,609 --> 00:43:13,329
pointing out that even people that make

1051
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:14,619
rational decisions there is emotion

1052
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,560
connected to that and just as a human

1053
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:19,839
you cannot dissociate emotion decision

1054
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:21,310
that your motion I'd have to agree how

1055
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:23,050
could you it's part of our thinking

1056
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,210
processes to do that but anything you

1057
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,480
can limit it I mean you can turn it down

1058
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:30,160
you know to the best of your ability but

1059
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:32,410
ultimately it's still committed in a

1060
00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:34,150
dream to me that concept and I don't

1061
00:43:37,579 --> 00:43:35,800
know a lot about psychology and that

1062
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:37,589
sort of stuff but intrigues me that

1063
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:39,609
decisions that I'm making even when i

1064
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,130
think i'm not using emotions i am and

1065
00:43:48,329 --> 00:43:45,280
that's kind of annoying isn't it there's

1066
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:48,339
the amazi emotion yeah i know i mean i

1067
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:49,990
just had a rat to you before we started

1068
00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:51,490
recording and i was gonna make a

1069
00:43:56,609 --> 00:43:54,099
decision based on emotion but you know

1070
00:43:58,349 --> 00:43:56,619
and you know what sometimes you have to

1071
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,359
make decisions based on emotions you

1072
00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:00,880
really do you know I mean that's again

1073
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:02,440
it's part of being human no we don't get

1074
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,170
everything right so this reminds me to

1075
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:08,079
of Joe's very a very big fan of Carol

1076
00:44:12,359 --> 00:44:10,990
tavros and she's an author she recently

1077
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:12,369
wrote a book called mistakes were made

1078
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:16,380
but not by me and it's basically about

1079
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:18,670
explaining kind of why people believe

1080
00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:20,530
weird things I guess yeah it's just a

1081
00:44:25,410 --> 00:44:22,780
total of another book not by her by

1082
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:25,420
Michael Shermer yeah and and sort of

1083
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,910
discussing that how it is that just

1084
00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:30,160
because you're rational skeptic atheist

1085
00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:32,200
or whatever you are doesn't mean you're

1086
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:33,700
immune from believing weird things

1087
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:36,550
because we're hardwired to to believe

1088
00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:40,060
that sort of stuff and so I think Joe

1089
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:41,470
particularly likes this book I haven't

1090
00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:44,530
actually read it but because she finds

1091
00:44:48,809 --> 00:44:46,180
it quite offensive when people dismiss

1092
00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:48,819
people who believe and you know maybe

1093
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:50,630
they believe in ghosts or the Yowie or

1094
00:44:55,450 --> 00:44:53,660
the Penrith Panthers feeling as are

1095
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,460
they're just stupid yeah they can't

1096
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,920
rationalize that and they can't if you

1097
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,079
know extricate themselves from that

1098
00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:02,000
belief therefore they're stupid yeah

1099
00:45:07,269 --> 00:45:04,460
yeah and that's something that skeptics

1100
00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:07,279
sometimes get tarred with that sort of

1101
00:45:11,470 --> 00:45:09,500
you know where criticized for being

1102
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:11,480
elitist and well it's a big mistake a

1103
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,849
lot of new skeptics make or a lot of

1104
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:15,920
people who call themselves skeptics is

1105
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:20,450
to either a label say believers in new

1106
00:45:24,249 --> 00:45:22,670
age and all this sort of stuff they'll

1107
00:45:26,259 --> 00:45:24,259
use the word are there just lunatics or

1108
00:45:29,019 --> 00:45:26,269
they're not so they crank so yeah yeah

1109
00:45:31,749 --> 00:45:29,029
and that's that's really really not

1110
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:31,759
helpful or another huge mistake people

1111
00:45:39,779 --> 00:45:36,049
make is they they'll put the paranormal

1112
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:39,789
people into two categories only one is

1113
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:43,609
liars and fakes and frauds the other one

1114
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:45,410
is all they're real they really can

1115
00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:48,470
speak to them to those not skeptics

1116
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:49,549
necessarily but maybe the general

1117
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:52,130
population and they they don't realize

1118
00:45:55,690 --> 00:45:54,049
that the vast majority of people that

1119
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:55,700
certainly I've encountered and probably

1120
00:46:00,819 --> 00:45:58,490
you two are people on sleepily honestly

1121
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:00,829
believe if it's taken yeah yeah yeah and

1122
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:02,390
that doesn't make them any more stupid

1123
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:04,670
just because they do believe in those

1124
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:07,609
things and it's just and I mean you guys

1125
00:46:12,579 --> 00:46:10,490
know that you have to train yourself to

1126
00:46:14,650 --> 00:46:12,589
be a skeptic you know we're not

1127
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:14,660
naturally born to think rationally

1128
00:46:21,309 --> 00:46:17,930
Angelo and in you know this sort of way

1129
00:46:22,809 --> 00:46:21,319
we're naturally wired to believe in fear

1130
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:22,819
so its ability there's not another word

1131
00:46:26,769 --> 00:46:24,609
for people like us who have actually

1132
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:26,779
know what the hell we're talking about

1133
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:29,210
because any numpty can call themselves a

1134
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,849
skeptic which really makes me makes my

1135
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:33,680
blood boil some times where where

1136
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:35,750
someone will say well so-and-so was a

1137
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:37,640
skeptic but now they are believers then

1138
00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:40,730
I weren't a skeptic you know all right

1139
00:46:43,749 --> 00:46:42,230
they'll call themselves a skeptic maybe

1140
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:43,759
they didn't believe but they weren't

1141
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:46,490
trained and in critical thinking and

1142
00:46:50,799 --> 00:46:48,440
skepticism and basic magic tricks and

1143
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:50,809
basic psychology like we are well that's

1144
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:52,490
I mean that's interesting to Richard

1145
00:46:56,799 --> 00:46:54,529
because you've mentioned this before and

1146
00:46:58,109 --> 00:46:56,809
I think it's really a valid point is

1147
00:47:00,480 --> 00:46:58,119
that

1148
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:00,490
you know scientists can be fooled by

1149
00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:02,950
magic tricks yes you know I mean is that

1150
00:47:06,809 --> 00:47:04,660
the great it was the better check case

1151
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:06,819
right where he went in and pretended to

1152
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,200
be psychic to a whole bunch of

1153
00:47:12,359 --> 00:47:10,480
scientists was it's hard trying to saw

1154
00:47:15,769 --> 00:47:12,369
at least I don't know the story of

1155
00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:15,779
actually the place it lose me but yes he

1156
00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:18,220
he and his friend went in and basically

1157
00:47:23,549 --> 00:47:20,680
thought scientific people you regain a

1158
00:47:25,859 --> 00:47:23,559
thought scientific yeah yeah so yeah

1159
00:47:28,349 --> 00:47:25,869
these people have a highly qualified and

1160
00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:28,359
have PhDs and stuff it now a very good

1161
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:29,950
friend of ours who is a scientist in

1162
00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:32,170
Bryce who we see occasionally and is

1163
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:33,940
very active in the skeptics as a

1164
00:47:39,029 --> 00:47:36,430
terrific scientist but I can show him

1165
00:47:40,349 --> 00:47:39,039
the odd magic trick which completely you

1166
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:40,359
know befuddle somebody will spend the

1167
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:42,180
next two years trying to work it out

1168
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:44,410
it's funny because he showed us the odd

1169
00:47:51,089 --> 00:47:45,940
thing to doesn't he doesn't but anyway

1170
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:51,099
um but speaking of skeptics climate

1171
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,700
change skeptics yeah my point is that in

1172
00:48:00,599 --> 00:47:57,240
the news today in Australia there's been

1173
00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,609
some allegations that climate scientists

1174
00:48:03,989 --> 00:48:01,599
at the Australian National University

1175
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:03,999
that Anu have been receiving death

1176
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,910
threats to the point where apparently

1177
00:48:13,049 --> 00:48:09,599
they've been moved to a secure location

1178
00:48:15,779 --> 00:48:13,059
and they have been receiving abusive

1179
00:48:17,609 --> 00:48:15,789
emails abusive phone calls and what was

1180
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:17,619
described in a story in the to end the

1181
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,470
press as death threats against not only

1182
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:22,480
them but their family and their children

1183
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:24,670
this is the sort of passion this issue

1184
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:26,680
is bringing up now in I don't know if I

1185
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:28,690
use that word passion associative I

1186
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:31,630
think it's more irrationality everyone

1187
00:48:36,529 --> 00:48:33,910
that the point is that these people are

1188
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:36,539
just doing their job they're scientists

1189
00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:40,089
they're simply carrying out their job

1190
00:48:44,009 --> 00:48:42,460
and so nobody deserves to receive death

1191
00:48:45,749 --> 00:48:44,019
threats because they can deliver when

1192
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:45,759
you do get public debates going on about

1193
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,529
when you do get people discussing if

1194
00:48:51,749 --> 00:48:49,359
they do tend to get very very passionate

1195
00:48:53,279 --> 00:48:51,759
one way or the other either in support

1196
00:48:55,739 --> 00:48:53,289
of climate change or against climate

1197
00:48:56,819 --> 00:48:55,749
change yeah that's true but then you

1198
00:48:58,620 --> 00:48:56,829
know and that's what

1199
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,630
passionate he's talking about not so

1200
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:00,400
much from the sizes yeah but from the

1201
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:02,170
general public of course now in this

1202
00:49:07,979 --> 00:49:03,849
country one of the raging debates at the

1203
00:49:10,979 --> 00:49:07,989
moment is this proposed tax of the

1204
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:10,989
carbon tax here so that's bringing out a

1205
00:49:17,219 --> 00:49:15,430
lot of heavy feeling and passion on in

1206
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,229
the community we had a rally just

1207
00:49:21,779 --> 00:49:19,599
yesterday capital cities for it for the

1208
00:49:24,469 --> 00:49:21,789
tax but then again we have people being

1209
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:24,479
bused to rallies against the tax it's

1210
00:49:29,219 --> 00:49:27,160
it's a little bit of a concern because I

1211
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:29,229
mean there have been for example in the

1212
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:32,650
UK a number of years ago and also in the

1213
00:49:38,219 --> 00:49:34,930
u.s. there are actually scientists that

1214
00:49:41,249 --> 00:49:38,229
were the seats doing animal research on

1215
00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:41,259
rafts because their cars were getting

1216
00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:43,180
graffiti they were getting death threats

1217
00:49:48,209 --> 00:49:46,390
to their children he got so bad that

1218
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:48,219
they just said right that to you I mean

1219
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:49,569
I think it was Peter I'm not a hundred

1220
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,609
percent sure but it was animal rights

1221
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:53,440
activists yeah yeah well I don't blame

1222
00:49:57,989 --> 00:49:55,569
them yeah well yeah but I mean that it

1223
00:49:59,849 --> 00:49:57,999
was it was such it got so serious that

1224
00:50:02,039 --> 00:49:59,859
they actually abandoned their research

1225
00:50:04,109 --> 00:50:02,049
in rats because these people were so

1226
00:50:05,849 --> 00:50:04,119
irrational and any as you say passionate

1227
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:05,859
that they were you know threatening

1228
00:50:11,459 --> 00:50:08,410
their children and well I just use the

1229
00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:11,469
word passionate is to maybe even get

1230
00:50:16,109 --> 00:50:12,940
back to our earlier topic about how

1231
00:50:17,729 --> 00:50:16,119
emotions color our decisions strong

1232
00:50:19,769 --> 00:50:17,739
emotions well I don't when he gets the

1233
00:50:21,509 --> 00:50:19,779
death threats that is going a bit far

1234
00:50:23,339 --> 00:50:21,519
especially against people's families and

1235
00:50:26,189 --> 00:50:23,349
yeah I don't I don't think this is a

1236
00:50:28,170 --> 00:50:26,199
dead animal work oh no no no but just is

1237
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,180
another topic which which gets people's

1238
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,640
blood boiling you know and also this

1239
00:50:34,529 --> 00:50:32,079
isn't meant to be a slur against losi

1240
00:50:37,529 --> 00:50:34,539
don't believe in climate change this is

1241
00:50:39,479 --> 00:50:37,539
just a few extremists or silence as

1242
00:50:41,249 --> 00:50:39,489
you're going to fake fun extremes like

1243
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,259
that no matter what topic you talking

1244
00:50:47,029 --> 00:50:43,920
about whether its climate religion

1245
00:50:49,319 --> 00:50:47,039
alternative medicine paranormal

1246
00:50:50,609 --> 00:50:49,329
cryptozoology you name it there will be

1247
00:50:52,859 --> 00:50:50,619
people that person

1248
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:52,869
there will be they will go that I think

1249
00:50:56,249 --> 00:50:54,130
there are some topics that bring out

1250
00:50:58,140 --> 00:50:56,259
more extreme action than done topping

1251
00:51:00,059 --> 00:50:58,150
something I mean I actually have to say

1252
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:00,069
that I'm in my opinion I think there

1253
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:03,160
have been some high-profile media

1254
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:04,569
commentators that may have contributed

1255
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,609
to this sort of behavior should be so

1256
00:51:09,809 --> 00:51:08,079
because I think I've been incredibly

1257
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:09,819
irresponsible in reporting the issue in

1258
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:11,529
this country and they've been very

1259
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:15,160
biased in their reporting I'm not saying

1260
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:17,230
anyone in particular but if you're

1261
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:19,420
Australian media once you might know

1262
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:20,890
what I'm talking about you know who we

1263
00:51:26,849 --> 00:51:24,130
made me um yeah and I mean it has got to

1264
00:51:28,259 --> 00:51:26,859
a sort of awesome them debate now really

1265
00:51:29,999 --> 00:51:28,269
hasn't it where it's just ad hominem

1266
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:30,009
attacks and slurs and it doesn't help

1267
00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:33,369
that the signs of the matter at all know

1268
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,900
what I find it really amusing to you

1269
00:51:38,489 --> 00:51:36,640
because I mean I agree with your point

1270
00:51:40,019 --> 00:51:38,499
Richard that where I'm not going to

1271
00:51:41,339 --> 00:51:40,029
comment on it because I'm not a climate

1272
00:51:44,609 --> 00:51:41,349
change scientists I haven't read all the

1273
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:44,619
literature that's right and then we get

1274
00:51:48,690 --> 00:51:46,690
sort of politicians that go on our TV

1275
00:51:50,220 --> 00:51:48,700
shows you know and have arguments across

1276
00:51:52,349 --> 00:51:50,230
the handle of people and say well you're

1277
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:52,359
wrong because you know you're just a

1278
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:54,130
paleontologist how dare you speak on the

1279
00:51:56,609 --> 00:51:55,210
climate was like well you're a

1280
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,619
politician like what are your

1281
00:52:01,079 --> 00:51:59,200
qualifications and it's party lines do

1282
00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:01,089
you know that the opposition is against

1283
00:52:04,739 --> 00:52:02,980
the current government of for it's like

1284
00:52:06,539 --> 00:52:04,749
I wonder what the individual people

1285
00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:06,549
think themselves who knows but that then

1286
00:52:09,870 --> 00:52:08,200
they're toeing the party line more or

1287
00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:09,880
less and actually did Tony Abbott said

1288
00:52:13,979 --> 00:52:11,710
Islam last week and I have to go hope

1289
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:13,989
dope whenever I mention his name but you

1290
00:52:17,549 --> 00:52:16,180
know he said that the government should

1291
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:17,559
be listening to the opinion of the

1292
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:21,730
people yeah not they should be listening

1293
00:52:27,450 --> 00:52:24,690
to the opinions of the people not the

1294
00:52:29,579 --> 00:52:27,460
polls or something and I was like hang

1295
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:29,589
on where's the science in that equation

1296
00:52:33,479 --> 00:52:31,390
oh you vote for science didn't

1297
00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:33,489
apparently apparently you do it's like

1298
00:52:37,289 --> 00:52:35,079
no let's not listen to the climate

1299
00:52:39,029 --> 00:52:37,299
scientist let's just ask the people are

1300
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,039
going to polls and see which governments

1301
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:40,960
more popular and that's how our decide

1302
00:52:44,279 --> 00:52:42,730
whether we want to go forward in this

1303
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:44,289
area this climate change happening I

1304
00:52:48,269 --> 00:52:46,210
know we'll go Donna let's let's put

1305
00:52:49,979 --> 00:52:48,279
let's put a poll on in Sydney Morning

1306
00:52:51,569 --> 00:52:49,989
Herald and get people to vote for its

1307
00:52:53,789 --> 00:52:51,579
and then we'll completely ignore it yeah

1308
00:52:55,310 --> 00:52:53,799
that's that's actually having a couple

1309
00:52:58,610 --> 00:52:55,320
of Tom's with the climate

1310
00:53:02,300 --> 00:52:58,620
change debates from created people's

1311
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:02,310
referendums they've redone one did a two

1312
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:04,770
thousand two or three hours and then

1313
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:06,660
they completely ignored the results and

1314
00:53:11,060 --> 00:53:09,090
last year all d before they'll calls to

1315
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:11,070
crowd and other people's referendum even

1316
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:12,180
though they completely ignored the

1317
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:14,370
previous one hey just because I didn't

1318
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:15,930
get the results they want some pepto so

1319
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:17,460
we don't know what's going to happen yes

1320
00:53:21,350 --> 00:53:18,780
but anyway thank you for bringing up the

1321
00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:21,360
interesting topic now I'd like to give a

1322
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:23,670
shout out to listener William William

1323
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,490
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00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:29,400
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00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:31,380
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00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:37,710
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00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:41,550
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00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:48,270
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a lovely donation we can get you a great

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professional headset with a wonderful

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microphone she said oh I better do some

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00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:58,860
more for the show hahaha because dr. AG

1336
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:00,660
I must say and listeners can listen back

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00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:03,240
neck lot to the last week's episode two

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your dr. Reggie reports where you yes

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00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:08,010
you're in cosmos magazine German

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00:54:11,330 --> 00:54:09,810
Christmas good is that if you're

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Australian please rush out and buy a

1342
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:15,720
copy um it sounded great my goodness

1343
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:18,690
means i knows who you sent it to me you

1344
00:54:22,580 --> 00:54:20,730
emailed me the segment I'm listening to

1345
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:22,590
it I think she must have snuck out to

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the radio station down their equipment

1347
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:27,300
that sounds you know I've got a secret

1348
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:29,690
studio at the back of my faith do for so

1349
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so yes listeners if you do contribute we

1350
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,580
really squeeze every cent out of your

1351
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:37,680
donations to make the show sound better

1352
00:54:42,740 --> 00:54:40,650
dr. H it's it's just sounding great well

1353
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:42,750
I'll take it to mount yessir on

1354
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Wednesday and skip my resume to and see

1355
00:54:50,570 --> 00:54:48,000
what noises you can get out of the

1356
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:50,580
volcano you're going to a bokken well I

1357
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:52,650
was going to go to a volcano but then

1358
00:54:56,420 --> 00:54:54,270
the bloody thing started erupting on the

1359
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:56,430
first of june so i don't have to go

1360
00:54:58,570 --> 00:54:57,960
there anymore don't you have a sound

1361
00:55:01,480 --> 00:54:58,580
effect

1362
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:01,490
erupting volcano in your on your iPad I

1363
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,370
don't think I do on my sound box did you

1364
00:55:09,130 --> 00:55:07,040
know i don't think i have one and you

1365
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:09,140
gotta burp sound anyway yeah that's not

1366
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:11,950
me to find the babe find the burbs and

1367
00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:15,170
that'll do so you're taking your

1368
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:17,300
microphone or to your lovely Island

1369
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:18,770
Retreat and who knows you might be able

1370
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to find some interesting local medicines

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00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:23,750
or yeah I've tarot card reader on the

1372
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,550
beach or who knows what may be your hope

1373
00:55:29,890 --> 00:55:28,160
food I have but a dr. Reggie reports

1374
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from tropical paradise I think would be

1375
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:32,510
good but I'm not supposed to be working

1376
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:34,250
while I'm there that's not working

1377
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,470
that's fun maybe they do they do fine

1378
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:39,200
walking there ya know they do and we're

1379
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:41,690
going to go to a firewalking ting really

1380
00:55:45,550 --> 00:55:43,250
here yeah what that would be fantastic

1381
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:45,560
so you saw me in a sort of report from

1382
00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:47,210
their report Here I am at the fire

1383
00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:48,800
walking and in the background we could

1384
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:53,270
get oh the reports already done I don't

1385
00:56:01,780 --> 00:55:57,590
need to go there now alright well isn't

1386
00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:01,790
this has been a great leader is that the

1387
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:05,660
monkey melon miss me a fabulous little

1388
00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:08,480
thing tanker a cozy little crew tonight

1389
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:11,030
James thank you very much you're welcome

1390
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:14,330
dr. AG safe and happy travels and we'll

1391
00:56:19,450 --> 00:56:16,450
see you back soon I hope I come back yes

1392
00:56:20,090 --> 00:56:19,460
you don't fall into the volcano internet

1393
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:20,100
yes sir

1394
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,730
well Richard another spectacular show

1395
00:56:53,319 --> 00:56:51,440
their episode 138 138 wasn't it wasn't

1396
00:56:55,210 --> 00:56:53,329
it good to have a chat to Lawrence lung

1397
00:56:57,579 --> 00:56:55,220
I mean I can't wait to watch his show I

1398
00:56:59,319 --> 00:56:57,589
really can army here and i am sure the

1399
00:57:01,120 --> 00:56:59,329
show is going to be as unbelievable as

1400
00:57:04,509 --> 00:57:01,130
the subject matter it contains good

1401
00:57:07,299 --> 00:57:04,519
tidal frochot unbelievable and for a

1402
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:07,309
skeptical karna show yeah okay almost as

1403
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:10,640
good as the skeptic zone almost well

1404
00:57:15,099 --> 00:57:12,529
that's that's TV this is a internet this

1405
00:57:18,579 --> 00:57:15,109
is podcast so different or almost as

1406
00:57:20,049 --> 00:57:18,589
good as the one the one ya tell us about

1407
00:57:22,359 --> 00:57:20,059
that Richard you're about to come back

1408
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:22,369
and burst onto the national screen again

1409
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,010
as the resident skeptic of a new game

1410
00:57:30,190 --> 00:57:27,920
show reality show reality game yeah yeah

1411
00:57:32,859 --> 00:57:30,200
if you game if I'm game it's it's

1412
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:32,869
reality yes that's right um we begin

1413
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:36,230
filming in about four or five days in

1414
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,569
fact are fantastic in the studio and

1415
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:41,599
i'll be meeting everybody involved and

1416
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:43,369
them they're going to be dressing me up

1417
00:57:47,859 --> 00:57:45,890
and cutting my hair days and making you

1418
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,869
look very skeptical and scientific oh

1419
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:50,480
I'm going to look particularly skeptical

1420
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:52,460
it's very skeptical as they say I'll

1421
00:57:57,819 --> 00:57:55,250
call it as I see it yeah I think you

1422
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,829
probably will well i think i'm going to

1423
00:58:00,640 --> 00:57:59,119
call it as i see it right now and i'm

1424
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,650
going to call at the end of the show the

1425
00:58:04,329 --> 00:58:02,000
end of the show we should race out and

1426
00:58:05,950 --> 00:58:04,339
have a drink oh I have our own little

1427
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,960
think tank to make up the one on your

1428
00:58:09,069 --> 00:58:08,000
stout on this way don't we race out and

1429
00:58:15,789 --> 00:58:09,079
have a out what's your drink of choice

1430
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:15,799
and my drink of choice water magic water

1431
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:18,200
magical man magic one you have some

1432
00:58:22,509 --> 00:58:20,839
magic water is magic water imbued with

1433
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:22,519
all sorts of for healing properties

1434
00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:24,650
under a crystal America so ferociously

1435
00:58:29,319 --> 00:58:27,230
and you and you'll have some I'll have a

1436
00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:29,329
Guinness or something I get word to cold

1437
00:58:32,740 --> 00:58:31,430
sort of wintry day is in and out so

1438
00:58:35,019 --> 00:58:32,750
maybe I'll have one of those that was

1439
00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:35,029
Irish coffee an Irish Claddagh regional

1440
00:58:41,049 --> 00:58:38,630
now you're talking well folks you can go

1441
00:58:43,690 --> 00:58:41,059
and enjoy your drink of choice as we

1442
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:43,700
call a close to this show we'll see you

1443
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:51,710
you've been listening to the skeptic

1444
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:56,700
zone visit our website at www skeptics